Episode 38 Show Notes

Season 1. Episode 38. As a follow up to Episode 22, where we met John’s wife, Myshell and explored a bit what its like to be married to a sake nerd, this week the tables are turned! Let’s meet Scott, Tim’s better half! When you’re not really a drinker, how much sake know-how do you really absorb over 15 years of tagging along to tastings, sake events and pairing dinners? …a lot more than you’d think! Listen in as Scott tells us his favorite style of sake to pair with Sushi and he also brings one of his favorite sakes to taste with the hosts. We are talking the smooth, creamy and cloudy Kamoizumi Ginjo Nigori. Who doesn’t love a sake that pairs with chocolate cookies that are bigger than a hockey puck? Scott also explains some of the sake adventures he has had with Tim including a trans-pacific sake cruise and surviving the 2011 Great East Japan Earthquake that struck 20 minutes before their Japan vacation was set to begin. There’s a lot to explore and a few laughs along the way. And if you’re not in the mood for sake, just tell ’em you’d like a Manhattan instead.

Skip to: 00:19 Hosts Welcome and Introduction
Welcome to the show from John and Timothy

Skip to: 02:16 Married to Sake: Scott Speaks!

Scott and Timothy Enjoying Sake Together!
Double Chocolate Levain Cookies Pair with Nigori!

Skip to: 17:08 Sake Tasting Introductions

Skip to: 20:28 Sake Tasting: Kamoizumi “Summer Snow” Nigori Ginjo

Kamoizumi “Summer Snow” Nigori Ginjo

Alcohol: 17.5%
Classification: Ginjo, Nigori
Prefecture: Hiroshima
Rice Type: Hattannishiki, Nakateshinsenbon
Seimaibuai: 58%
SMV: +1.0
Acidity: 1.6
Brewery: Kamoizumi Shuzo
Brand: Kamoizumi
Importer: World Sake Imports
Sake Name English: Summer Snow

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Skip to: 28:39 Show Closing

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Episode 38 Transcript

John Puma: 0:22
Hello everybody And welcome to Sake Revolution. This is America’s first sake podcast. And I’m your host, John Puma from the Sake Notes. Also the administrator over at the internet sake discord, the guy on the show who is not a sake samurai and just a sake nerd. Like you guys.

Timothy Sullivan: 0:40
And I’m your host Timothy Sullivan. I’m a sake samurai. I’m a sake educator, as well as the founder of the urban sake website. And every week, John and I will be tasting and chatting about all things, sake and doing our best to make it fun and easy to understand.

John Puma: 0:57
that is right, Tim. Now, now, Tim, I understand. That once again, although a little more, literally we have a guest in the studio.

Timothy Sullivan: 1:09
Literally in the studio. Yes. Sitting next to me

John Puma: 1:13
it’s not my studio.

Timothy Sullivan: 1:14
sitting next to me is our VIP guest.

John Puma: 1:18
Oh, uh, yeah. Now this is, uh, for our listeners at home. This is actually part two. Of a two-parter that’s been a long time coming. is that right?

Timothy Sullivan: 1:33
Yes, this is part two of our award-winning series, Married to Sake.

John Puma: 1:40
That’s right. If our sake historians want to go back to episode 22, they will find part one where we interviewed, my wife, Myshell, and she told us all about the really, uh, Interesting. We’ll call them. sakes that she likes to finding when she goes to various places in Japan and how my sake tastes do not line up with that at all. Today we have Tim’s other half. We have

Timothy Sullivan: 2:11

John Puma: 2:13
Scott, say hello to the Sake Revolution universe

Scott: 2:16
Hi Sake Revolution universe

Timothy Sullivan: 2:20
So when we had Myshell on the show we were exploring what it’s like to be married to a sake nerd and have kind of one foot in that world and one foot in reality And so now we’re going to explore Scott’s point of view

John Puma: 2:36
So um absolutely I think it’s going to be a lot of fun to kind of get into the weeds and we’re going to learn a lot about Tim I think today’s episode whether he likes it or not!

Timothy Sullivan: 2:45

John Puma: 2:47
Um so Scott tell me how long have you guys been together How long have you been married

Scott: 2:52
um I better get this right right

Timothy Sullivan: 2:55

Scott: 2:57
We’ve been

John Puma: 2:57
Tim’s right there to to fact check you

Scott: 2:59
We’ve been married almost two years

John Puma: 3:02
Oh wow And uh and how long were you together before that

Scott: 3:06
So we met in may of 2005 So it’s been a long time

John Puma: 3:12
I imagine it back then Tim was not yet the let me make sure I get all this right The sake samurai sake educator and the founder of the Urban Sake website was he?

Scott: 3:21
No he actually wasn’t

John Puma: 3:24
and uh so uh who introduced who to sake here Was this something that you had in your back pocket you sprung on Tim or was it something he was already kind of playing with And he’s like Hey wait a minute Let me tell you about this plan I have about becoming a sake samurai, sake educator and they founder of the urbansake website

Scott: 3:40
No actually um well I don’t really drink so that’s kind of the ironic part of this

John Puma: 3:46
that is

Scott: 3:47
And I think the way when we first started to meet I would try to pick out really interesting uh New York places that I loved And we went to a little hole in the wall sushi place and it’s a little North of Houston street and they have just really fresh sushi Right So we went on a date there I think it was an early date

Timothy Sullivan: 4:07

Scott: 4:09
And they had uh I think that was the first time you wanted to try premium sake and they had like a menu on the wall with really cool drawings and great looking Kanji And you just picked one

Timothy Sullivan: 4:23
Yeah I was just inspired we were having dinner and I just thought why don’t I give this a try I really didn’t know anything about sake or Japanese culture…

John Puma: 4:32
the Tim side of this story you guys can find um in episode 18 where he tells us about his first experience with Hakkaisan Uh apparently we’re learning now on a date with Scott Actually we learned on that episode too but we’re trying to make it sound dramatic So um Scott to do also uh try the Hakkaisan that fateful day

Scott: 4:54
Bye I did I did but I don’t think it struck me quite like it struck Tim

John Puma: 5:00
Well maybe a little less cause he changed careers after he had it But You did enjoy it

Scott: 5:07
it was really great I mean I think one of the things I’ve learned is that it just pairs so well with food And especially with sushi and it’s almost like they don’t alter the food to match the sake And I think wines it’s oftentimes I oversalt food in order to match the wine So maybe this is not true but that’s something we discovered later when we went out for a Thanksgiving dinner at a real nice restaurant and the wine just didn’t work so well with the food

Timothy Sullivan: 5:41
Now I do want to clarify one thing Scott said he wasn’t a drinker but Scott will taste everything So it’s not like he doesn’t I don’t want people thinking that he doesn’t drink at all

Scott: 5:51
but And I think probably a little like Myshell I tend to like funkier kinds of things or a little different

John Puma: 6:00
How did You discover that that your tastes were in that realm Or was this just a matter of of being around Tim and tasting things all the time and being like Oh wait this one

Scott: 6:11
I think it’s more that we would just if when Tim was first getting into it we would kind of it’s a little daunting when you see a large menu and you don’t know what you’re doing and we would try a lot of different things Right in the beginning

Timothy Sullivan: 6:25
Yeah And honestly thinking back on it it was a great way to start dating someone Like we had this thing to share like going out to eat to Japanese restaurants exploring the city finding cool places to eat

Scott: 6:38
Yeah And interesting like even that we went to um we would go to a lot of pairings I think there were many more in the very beginning when we were first dating and there was actually some really unique ones We went to a dessert pairing and I distinctly Yeah it was really interesting

Timothy Sullivan: 6:57
sake and dessert

Scott: 6:58
Yeah A Japanese dessert place in hell’s kitchen And one of the things that struck me was there was a sake on the list I don’t even remember what it was called but it kind of tasted like burnt rubber tires and it paired really really well with pecan pie

John Puma: 7:15
I got to know what the sake was My life will be incomplete until I find the burnt rubber tire sake That pairs really well with

Scott: 7:23
I mean with a grain of salt right That was my description of the tasting notes I’m sure No one would say Oh this has hints of burnt rubber tire

John Puma: 7:30
You’d be surprised before sake came along what did you like to taste cocktails or anything like

Scott: 7:38
no I

John Puma: 7:39
beers and wines stuff like

Scott: 7:40
I don’t really drink cocktails I mean I like to pretend I like bourbon but it’s kind of a joke between Tim and me or I pretend that I like Manhattans…

John Puma: 7:49
but it’s a great conversation starter Apparently my interest was peaked I was like wow He likes bourbon Whoa It doesn’t really like to treat but he’s into bourbon That’s so surprising

Scott: 8:00
Or I thought I might like a Manhattan Right But we I’ve never really had a Manhattan either

Timothy Sullivan: 8:04
Yeah So I I think it’s fair to say like if we go out to dinner to a non Japanese restaurant and I order a glass of wine Scott’s going to take a couple sips of it and we’re going to talk about what it tastes like or if Scott orders his own glass of wine chances are very very high that I’m going to finish it Yeah

Scott: 8:25
So usually I try to pick something that Tim might like too

John Puma: 8:28
Okay that makes

Timothy Sullivan: 8:30
That’s sweet Yeah

John Puma: 8:32
in the recent past for his job Tim would need to frequently visit Japan and before that when it was him getting an indulging this hobby more did you get to go with him often Or have you been to Japan with Tim on his excursions

Scott: 8:48
The first time we went to Japan actually it’s kind of funny and a little ironic because I’m third generation Japanese American right And I had never been to Japan Our family never went on vacations there or anything even though my dad really wanted to Um and the very first time I went was a cruise that Tim got asked to be the sake educator on It was kind of mind-blowingly amazing And

John Puma: 9:17
I never heard about

Scott: 9:18
it was

Timothy Sullivan: 9:19
crazy Yes it was it was something that just kind of fell into my lap It was a cruise from Alaska too Japan It was a two week cruise over the Pacific ocean and around Japan And it was amazing And I got invited to be the sake educator on this cruise And Scott came along and we had this wonderful time on the ship and I taught five or six classes while we were crossing the Pacific And then when we got to Japan we would stop in Hokkaido Then we went to Sendai Then we went to Tokyo So we stopped in all the ports all around the islands of Japan And we had like day trips here and there And that was so much

Scott: 10:01
Oh my gosh It was

Timothy Sullivan: 10:03
good memory That was in 2009

Scott: 10:04

John Puma: 10:05
wow that sounds incredible It sounds really like a very unique opportunity or unique situation

Scott: 10:12
Oh and it wasn’t just a regular cruise It was a all inclusive really luxury line cruise We had both never really been on cruises before

Timothy Sullivan: 10:20
yeah Yeah it was a luxury cruise ship And we could have never in a million years afforded it on our own but we just had this really amazing experience And that was our first trip to Japan together but we’ve gone several other times since then together

Scott: 10:34
We had such a great time but it was probably better that we were able to see Japan for me for the first time it was so eyeopening

John Puma: 10:42
Nice And by then Tim how many trips was that for you

Timothy Sullivan: 10:45
My first trip was in 2007 I probably went twice in 2008 so it was roughly my fourth trip to japan.

John Puma: 10:52
Oh that’s that’s that’s pretty early then Okay

Scott: 10:55
but I actually thought Tim wouldn’t take to Japan cause the very first trip um it was when he was uh awarded the sake samurai award

John Puma: 11:04
really that was your first

Scott: 11:06
was his first trip to Japan

John Puma: 11:08
So you guys had told you you were going to be learning a lot about Tim

Scott: 11:12
I think he liked it but it was so foreign He said it it was just one of the most foreign experiences he’d ever been on People would not look at you in the eye Um doing basic things like getting a subway ticket was just so complicated and hard to figure out and it wasn’t really a warm and welcoming experience so I was like Oh maybe it’s not going to turn into much but it actually Yeah I was so wrong He just got more deeply into Japan and understanding a lot about the culture and how to behave in Japan and for a westerner and taught me a lot about that as well

John Puma: 11:52
The the the experience of going to Japan has changed a lot since then I mean not cause I was I went in 2006 for the first time So this was probably Close around then and and doing it then as opposed to doing it now it’s so much more streamlined There’s honestly a lot more English uh to be to be had You can it’s much easier to get subway tickets that’s for sure And charge up your Suica cards and all of that But I imagine that back then for you especially being a solo on something like that it must’ve been a little harrowing

Timothy Sullivan: 12:22
Yeah I think my takeaway from that is that the good experiences the hospitality I did receive the food I did eat the sake experiences I had all that outweighed the challenges and that got me intrigued.

John Puma: 12:40
I mean I think that’s sometimes a kind of a telling hurdle is like well how do you how does somebody react when they have the challenge like that And when they have the hurdle if they have it and they see it as a thing to to be overcome and And double down That’s great at that And it does say a lot about where things went for you career wise in the following years so uh it sounds like it was a great time Do you have any other memorable visits to Japan with Tim Any any uh any gossip any uh stories you want to tell us Uh embarrassing tales of

Scott: 13:10
Yeah So since I am obviously I look very Japanese I’m Japanese American So And it’s not necessarily the place but what would happen It was just kind of a funny dynamic where I’m actually really into reflexology Right So there were all these really great reflexology places in Japan And I think one of my first experiences there was um uh in the Ginza we found a reflexology place Tim had to go in and explain what I wanted because I don’t speak any Japanese I don’t understand any Japanese but they would keep looking at me like are expecting me to be able to speak Japanese And I couldn’t So when Tim word it was just so surprising for them and they couldn’t get in the habit of looking straight up Tim to ask

John Puma: 14:01
so I was going to ask if you spoke any Japanese but apparently that that’s been answered Um now Tim you’ve been learning Japanese over the years have had there’s been any cross-pollination Have you learned Japanese from Tim

Scott: 14:12
Yeah I think there are like words here and there that I know because of Tim just also funny

Timothy Sullivan: 14:19
Yeah Mostly restaurant stuff right Like how to get the bill and all that kind of stuff Right

Scott: 14:23

John Puma: 14:25
That’s important stuff when you’re visiting or vacationing and stuff like that

Scott: 14:28
And the other really memorable thing this is more kind of I think really interesting we had planned a another vacation in Japan and Tim was going to beat me in Tokyo I was supposed to fly into Tokyo and I had a friend helped me get the ticket It was really really nice because this person works for the airlines and it happened that an hour before I was supposed to land the big giant earthquake hit in Sendai

Timothy Sullivan: 14:59
the March, 2011 Yeah So that’s the Big Tohoku earthquake happened I was already in Japan and I was on the train to the airport to meet Scott Scott was literally I think it was about 40 minutes away from landing

John Puma: 15:16
And you were literally in the

Scott: 15:17
I was in the air

Timothy Sullivan: 15:18

John Puma: 15:19
That’s crazy We should have led with this

Scott: 15:22
and they they said um we’re delayed They didn’t give any reason yet And then eventually they came on later and said we’re going to land in Osaka There’s been an earthquake in Tokyo And then I’m like Oh my gosh what am I going to do in Osaka I don’t speak the language I don’t know how to get back to Tokyo And then it turned out that we landed in Haneda instead

John Puma: 15:42
that is quite far from

Scott: 15:43
and yeah they were able to land in Haneda Thank goodness But and thank goodness We both had our iPhones so we could communicate I ended up sleeping on the floor in Haneda airport And then figuring out how to get to the hotel the next day all by myself And I think you were really surprised I I was able to do that

Timothy Sullivan: 16:03
Well I was on the Narita Express I was 10 minutes away from Narita airport and I slept on the Narita express overnight because we were trapped on the train They couldn’t move it And then I finally got to Narita Scott got to Haneda and then We had to find a way to meet at the hotel in Tokyo And I don’t know how he did it but Scott found his way by himself from the airport in the middle of like you know this major earthquake had just happened and Everything was in chaos

John Puma: 16:39
It sounds

Scott: 16:40
It was terrifying And then um Tim had the great idea We were going to go all over to Niigata We had I think were we going to go to Kanazawa too We had these plans but we scrapped them And Tim had the great idea to say let’s go South So he got on a bullet train and we went to Fukuoka

Timothy Sullivan: 16:58
yeah So we decided to take the bullet train to Fukuoka as Scott said and then we spent a week there and we actually had a really

Scott: 17:06
good time

John Puma: 17:08
wow on that note I think my understanding is that you made a suggestion of some one of your favorite sake is to sip And so we both Oh I’m sorry All three of us have Some of this sake to taste and talk about And as the kamoizumi nigori ginjo and the States they call this the summer snow nice name I like that and Tim do you have any any details on this one

Timothy Sullivan: 17:38
Well this is a sake from Hiroshima and the the brewery is kamoizumi Shuzo This is a Ginjo and it’s also a cloudy style a Nigori and the alcohol is a little bit higher uh just above 17% And we have a 58% rice milling

John Puma: 17:59
And I see the rice type over here is the uh Hatan nishiki which is uh we’ve talked about this one before It’s a local rice to Hiroshima

Timothy Sullivan: 18:06
Okay well I’m going to go ahead and open this up

John Puma: 18:10
please do so uh is listening at home This is a nigori If you are tasting a nigori on your own at some point do make sure that you have your nigori, You want to gently tip it make sure that the sentiment and the cloudiness gets all throughout the bottle You don’t want to just sit at the top first You want to make sure that’s all mixed in

Timothy Sullivan: 18:37
So when Myshell was on the show John she picked uh she picked the Narutotai Nama Genshu

John Puma: 18:47
Yes the the Ginzo nama genshu, She likes her 18% alcohol sakes and uh Scott apparently likes his 17 and a half percent alcohol sakes and what I think I have found is our significant others are trying to get us drunk

Timothy Sullivan: 19:02
So Scott why did you connect with this sake?

Scott: 19:08
Um I think because it was so different from any alcohol that I’d really ever tried before I think I do remember the first time we had it It was at a course a Japanese restaurant and I think I’d heard about Nigori and just wanted to try it And it was a little viscous a little sweet to me and it just seemed to pair pretty well with the food that we were eating I mean it actually was nice So that’s why I connected with it

Timothy Sullivan: 19:34
And it’s something you remembered too I I remember that you would when you’d see it on the menu to be like Oh they have that nigori here Yeah Yeah

John Puma: 19:42
great Scott why don’t you grab your class and give us a little sniff and you know tell us what your what are you smelling What are you getting off of that

Scott: 19:50
Oh am I going to be like tested here

John Puma: 19:55
No no no There as um we talked about a few episodes back that uh when you’re tasting sake and describing stuff just using your words don’t worry about uh don’t worry about precision or what what your sake samurai husband would say Just what do you feel

Scott: 20:12
Um it just I mean I of course smell the alcohol For sure And you know I would say there’s tiny little hints of like a little bit of citrus-ish even though I know it doesn’t taste like that to me

Timothy Sullivan: 20:28
when I smell it I if you think about like coconuts or pina colada smell I get a little bit of that There’s a little bit of tropical fruit and a little bit of a coconut essence I think Do you do you smell that well

Scott: 20:42
after you suggested it Yeah

John Puma: 20:45
Yeah When he said coconut I was like yeah that’s what it is That was I was kind of it was kind of like circling in my head like what is this thing I can’t quite nail it And honestly people when you think about sake you usually don’t think about coconut

Timothy Sullivan: 20:57
So I think there is a little bit of a coconut tropical fruit and pina colada That’s something that I always associate with that Let’s give it a taste

John Puma: 21:09
Yeah Let’s is it bad that I’m still thinking about pina coladas now

Timothy Sullivan: 21:18
And one thing that I always associate with this sake from going out with Scott and drinking this is Scott really likes to pair this with desserts Right?

Scott: 21:26
Well we actually um had colleagues and they were teaching us how to cook Indian food And so we were thinking Oh what would pair with the Indian food And it turned out that the namas and I think nigori stood up really well to Indian food So that’s the other thought here that it stands up well to even spicy food

John Puma: 21:47
Hmm that sounds good this is not the first time we’ve talked about dessert and sake with you today So I think we’re learning a few things so it fought through those Indian spices as well

Scott: 22:00
yeah It really did I we were both I was more surprised than maybe you were And then the other thing that pairs really well with is of course people probably know of levain bakery but they’ve got like a double chocolate chip cookie and it pairs really well

John Puma: 22:16
intimately familiar with those cookies

Scott: 22:18

Timothy Sullivan: 22:18
yeah So the double chocolate levain cookie pairs really well with this Nigori right

John Puma: 22:26
Oh you gotta want kind of want one of those

Scott: 22:29
We should have we should have brought them for this podcast recording

John Puma: 22:34
The only thing about these about these cookies but while they are absolutely delightful they’re also like 800 calories for a cookie

Timothy Sullivan: 22:40
What’s what Oh my God I had no idea

John Puma: 22:46
Hmm really quickly though One interesting thing about this sake is that for the most part this sake is made for the Western market and not sold in Japan

Timothy Sullivan: 22:57
I have heard that Yes

John Puma: 23:01
Uh this year it has been made available in Japan but I assume that might be a pandemic related but generally speaking this is a sake that is made and sold exclusively for export And I think that’s really interesting cause it’s like them saying like look we we think that this style is going to do really well Over in New York where they have massive cookies Indian food and who knew they were right Looking at you guys loving it it’s a nigori but it’s a very high alcohol nigori which is I want to say a little unusual Tim do you think that’s a little unusual

Timothy Sullivan: 23:36
It is Yeah Normally nigori The thing that stands out about a nigori is the fact that it’s cloudy Not that it’s higher in alcohol and this has two things going on It’s like a cloudy style really really pronounced texture to this sake And then on top of that it’s noticeably higher and alcohol too so when when Scott Scott sometimes goes out with coworkers and with other people and I’m not there and sometimes they have a sake menu in front of them And I think Scott you’ve had enough experience with sake to really pick something out You’re going to know Some of the brand names for sure wouldn’t you say?

Scott: 24:13

Timothy Sullivan: 24:15

Scott: 24:15

John Puma: 24:17
Do you take note of some of the things that Tim puts in front of you to taste

Scott: 24:21
I think I remember the ones I like So if we’re really struck by something I’ll remember the name of it somehow And just know or if Tim talks about it enough like I know some of the breweries that he likes so I could recommend to friends Oh this one Tim likes So you might like it as well

Timothy Sullivan: 24:40
Yeah And it’s also been 15 years of osmosis too

Scott: 24:43

John Puma: 24:44
Have you visited breweries with Tim

Scott: 24:46
Yes we did we went to I think it was the Tokyo brewery The one we had to travel very far by train I don’t remember which one it was I want to say I’m going to get it totally wrong what’s

Timothy Sullivan: 25:01

Scott: 25:03
Is it yeah it was sawanoi

John Puma: 25:06
Aha I was actually looking up which episode we talked about that trip we talked about about about sake made in Tokyo And Tim described this very beautiful area with this wonderful little bridge over a river and a wonderful tofu restaurant If I’m not mistaken

Scott: 25:28
Oh it was amazing

John Puma: 25:30
Oh okay So so Tim’s a tip statement has been backed up by an independent party

Scott: 25:36
But w what he maybe didn’t say was we kind of got lost coming back and it was an elementary school or a middle school kid who kind of wanted to practice his English and was being so polite and told us which trains to go on to get back to Tokyo Cause we really there were so many changes Right We didn’t know how to get back

Timothy Sullivan: 25:55
wasn’t that part of the cruise trip That was yeah that was when we were in the port of Tokyo That was one of

John Puma: 26:02
Oh that was that was the cruise

Timothy Sullivan: 26:03
was the 2009 trip

John Puma: 26:05
and guys if you’re curious about more details on the sawanoi trip that’s going to be episode number 27 a lot of references this week guys scott when you are out without Tim and there there is sake available or somebody asking perhaps about sake What sorts of sake is do you then go and recommend uh to people who ask you about sake with your 15 years of osmosis Uh and being just being around Tim all the time

Scott: 26:34
well so if it’s a spring time I would recommend the spring Namas when one of my favorites is Kamikokoro the yeast And it’s just very very bold and flavorful and not what you’d expect from a rice alcohol and then I think if it’s just a regular outing I would recommend maybe more of the Daiginjo style a little finer and a little bit um smoother and then if they were interested in warm sake I would recommend the Shichihonyari I know that that was on one of your episodes as well I think when you

John Puma: 27:11
it was uh at decibel and we had it warm

Timothy Sullivan: 27:14
well Scott what would you recommend if if one of your friends said Oh what should I have with sushi What style of sake would you recommend for sushi

Scott: 27:21
I would recommend a drier style sake I think you even visited a brewery clear out in the boonies and had to take a bus trip out And you were the first westerner that ever went there I can’t remember what the name of the sake is

Timothy Sullivan: 27:34
that is another reference to a previous episode That was art That was my trip to Ishikawa when I went to the Noto peninsula and I went to see Sougen Brewery Yes

John Puma: 27:47
Technically it’s a reference to two episodes We talked about that story twice Oh right Well Scott thank you so much for joining us It’s been a pleasure learning about a lot of the background between the two of you and your kind of adventures together I think we’ll see what you can say uh and of your love for cookies desserts Uh I think we might have to have you back again sometime maybe we’ll grab Myshell and do a a married of sake reunion sometimes

Scott: 28:21
That would be fun

Timothy Sullivan: 28:22
well if we do that I’ll bring the crazy sake sake

John Puma: 28:25
again yes thank you so much for taking time out And uh we really appreciate it And I think that it was fun getting some fun stories about our friendly neighborhood cohost

Scott: 28:36
Definitely Thanks for having me

Timothy Sullivan: 28:39
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John Puma: 28:58
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Timothy Sullivan: 29:19
And as always to learn more about any of the topics or any of the sockies we talked about in today’s episode be sure to visit our website sake revolution.com for all the detailed show notes

John Puma: 29:31
and of course if you have sake questions that you need answered spouses of ours that you would like us to interview um or sakes you’d like us to talk about Please reach out to us at feedback@sake revolution.com So until next time please remember to keep drinking sake and altogether fellows KANPAI! That was fun That was so much fun to do I think

Timothy Sullivan: 30:03
I’m glad you had fun

Scott: 30:05
Oh you didn’t like it Did I embarrass you

John Puma: 30:08
a blast You look really nervous sometimes